Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Alarme auf Neuseite
English translation:
alarms (except New List)/alarms (except new message list)
Added to glossary by
Blaess
Sep 7, 2009 07:56
14 yrs ago
German term
Germany
Scientific & technical expertise
Native in: English (Variant: British) 
Works in: German to English
Alarmen auf Neuseite
German to English
Tech/Engineering
Computers: Hardware
Simatic
Context:
Die Berechtigungsstufe „Operator“ erlaubt Selektion von Alarmen (außer auf Neuseite),
I'm rather puzzled by what "Neuseite" means in this context (amongst the Bedienmöglichkeiten for the Operator authorization level in Simatic/PCS 7).
Die Berechtigungsstufe „Operator“ erlaubt Selektion von Alarmen (außer auf Neuseite),
I'm rather puzzled by what "Neuseite" means in this context (amongst the Bedienmöglichkeiten for the Operator authorization level in Simatic/PCS 7).
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | selection of alarms (except New List) |
Blaess
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| 3 | message new page |
lisa23
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Change log
Sep 18, 2009 07:29: David Williams changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/62748">David Williams's</a> old entry - "Alarmen auf Neuseite"" to ""alarms (except New List)""
Sep 18, 2009 07:44: Blaess changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/62748">David Williams's</a> old entry - "Alarmen auf Neuseite"" to ""alarms (except New List)/alarms (except new message list)""
Proposed translations
14 hrs
German term (edited):
Selektion von Alarmen (außer auf Neuseite)
Selected
selection of alarms (except New List)
DE - DE: Neuseite = Neuliste (see below)
The "Neuseite"/"Neuliste"/Newlist contains (alarm) messages that have no been acknowledged.
New List. All of the message that have not been acknowledged.
https://a248.e.akamai.net/cache.automation.siemens.com/dnl/T...
Neuliste
enthält alle unquittierten Meldungen.
http://www.e-technik.fh-lausitz.de/~slaass/Et/ps7phesa.pdf
PC-CS unterteilt analog zum OS die Meldungen in Altseiten (für die
quittierten Meldungen) und in Neuseiten (für alle unquittierten Meldungen).
In einer Meldezeile werden alle Bereiche angezeigt, in denen Meldungen
aktiv sind, wobei zwischen quittierten und unquittierten unterschieden
wird.
http://www.c-m-e.de/downloads/PC-CS(D).pdf
Auf der Alarm-Neuseite werden Meldungen angezeigt, welche nicht quittiert werden können. Die Meldungen sind bereits als "gegangen" gekennzeichnet. Was ist die Ursache hierfür?
Es werden für den Online-Abgleich der Meldungen Kurzzeitarchive verwendet. Ist das " Rückladen der Meldungsliste nach Netzausfall" aktiviert (Bild 1), dann wird eine alte Alarmliste aus dem Meldearchiv geladen - SIMATIC PCS 7 benötigt allerdings die alten Alarmlisten nicht.
https://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll?func=c...
The "Neuseite"/"Neuliste"/Newlist contains (alarm) messages that have no been acknowledged.
New List. All of the message that have not been acknowledged.
https://a248.e.akamai.net/cache.automation.siemens.com/dnl/T...
Neuliste
enthält alle unquittierten Meldungen.
http://www.e-technik.fh-lausitz.de/~slaass/Et/ps7phesa.pdf
PC-CS unterteilt analog zum OS die Meldungen in Altseiten (für die
quittierten Meldungen) und in Neuseiten (für alle unquittierten Meldungen).
In einer Meldezeile werden alle Bereiche angezeigt, in denen Meldungen
aktiv sind, wobei zwischen quittierten und unquittierten unterschieden
wird.
http://www.c-m-e.de/downloads/PC-CS(D).pdf
Auf der Alarm-Neuseite werden Meldungen angezeigt, welche nicht quittiert werden können. Die Meldungen sind bereits als "gegangen" gekennzeichnet. Was ist die Ursache hierfür?
Es werden für den Online-Abgleich der Meldungen Kurzzeitarchive verwendet. Ist das " Rückladen der Meldungsliste nach Netzausfall" aktiviert (Bild 1), dann wird eine alte Alarmliste aus dem Meldearchiv geladen - SIMATIC PCS 7 benötigt allerdings die alten Alarmlisten nicht.
https://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/llisapi.dll?func=c...
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Comment: "Excellent, many thanks!"
1 hr
message new page
i.e. at this operator level, it is possible to select specific messages, but not on the (message) new page
Although this is a translation from the German, I would stick to this terminology "new page" for Neuseite.
PC-CS divides, analogous to the OS, the messages
into old page frames (for the acknowledged messages) and into new page frames (for all unacknowledged messages).
SIMATIC PCS 7 V5/V6 - non-acknowledgable messages on the message new page
QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged.
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Note added at 1 Stunde (2009-09-07 09:52:26 GMT)
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oh sorry, this section "QUESTION" is a quote from the Siemens page, the whole section is:
QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged. The messages are already identified as "acknowledged". What is the reason for this?
ANSWER:
Short-term archives are used for the online comparison of the messages. If "Reload Message List After Power Failure" is enabled (Fig. 1), then an old message list is loaded from the message archive - but SIMATIC PCS 7 does not require the old message list.
Although this is a translation from the German, I would stick to this terminology "new page" for Neuseite.
PC-CS divides, analogous to the OS, the messages
into old page frames (for the acknowledged messages) and into new page frames (for all unacknowledged messages).
SIMATIC PCS 7 V5/V6 - non-acknowledgable messages on the message new page
QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged.
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Note added at 1 Stunde (2009-09-07 09:52:26 GMT)
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oh sorry, this section "QUESTION" is a quote from the Siemens page, the whole section is:
QUESTION:
On the message new page, messages are displayed that cannot be acknowledged. The messages are already identified as "acknowledged". What is the reason for this?
ANSWER:
Short-term archives are used for the online comparison of the messages. If "Reload Message List After Power Failure" is enabled (Fig. 1), then an old message list is loaded from the message archive - but SIMATIC PCS 7 does not require the old message list.
Reference:
Note from asker:
| Excellent, many thanks, although I don't quite understand your question. |
| Thanks :-) So "Altliste" would probably be the "old page frame" mentioned above, wouldn't it? |
| Or would this be the same as the "Neuliste" which, in the screenshot, calls itself the "Incoming alarm list"? |
| Nichtdestotrotz: Many thanks to you too! |
Discussion
- Journal - Displays all messages
http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/skm/pdfviewer.asp?H...
(further mentioning of "new list" in this document, also as a term in a table (8.3.3))
"In a special message view it is possible to switch between the control system message pages such as new list, old list, cleared alarm list, operator action list, control element list and message history list."
http://support.automation.siemens.com/WW/skm/pdfviewer.asp?H...
From Siemens Configuration Manual Process Control PCS 7 - there is a set of standard lists:
8.3.2 Using Message Lists during Process Operation
During process operation, the plant operator can call the message list by means of a button. From there, you can call additional message lists. The following message lists are available:
- New list - displays all unacknowledged messages
- Old list - displays all messages that have been acknowledged but are still pending in process
- Gone list - displays all messages marked as "gone" that have not been acknowledged
- Operation list - displays all operation mess
Best regards, Lisa