Apr 7, 2006 13:53
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French term
IanW (X)
congrès (here)
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"[...] les socialistes français, contraints à la surenchère marxiste par leur stratégie d’Union de la gauche avec le Parti communiste, handicapés par cette règle qui veut que les congrès se gagnent à gauche, quitte en gouverner ensuite à droite, en restaient au dogme de la rupture mythologique avec l’économie de marché."
This sentence from hell is from a political article about French and German socialism. Could anyone explain to me what type of "congrès" are meant here.
Any input, particularly in the next half-hour, would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Ian
This sentence from hell is from a political article about French and German socialism. Could anyone explain to me what type of "congrès" are meant here.
Any input, particularly in the next half-hour, would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks
Ian
Proposed translations
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| 4 +3 | party political conferences/congresses (probably) |
CMJ_Trans (X)
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| 4 +3 | Convention |
Francis MARC
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| 5 | legislature |
Joshua Wolfe
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| 4 | Congress |
Rachel Fell
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| 3 | not for grading |
Sarah Walls
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Proposed translations
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party political conferences/congresses (probably)
since it's urgent, some quick and not properly thought through ideas...
I suspect that what they are saying is that to keep the communists and other odds and sods of the left wing on their side, the French socialists have to pander to their extremist views to get their support, even if, when elected, they adopt policies more associated with the right.
they are therefore hamstrung by a fact of life which is that to win over the leftist punters you have to pay lip service to their policies, even if afterwards you veer to the right when in power
HTH
Chris
Think of the UK Labour Party Conference....
I suspect that what they are saying is that to keep the communists and other odds and sods of the left wing on their side, the French socialists have to pander to their extremist views to get their support, even if, when elected, they adopt policies more associated with the right.
they are therefore hamstrung by a fact of life which is that to win over the leftist punters you have to pay lip service to their policies, even if afterwards you veer to the right when in power
HTH
Chris
Think of the UK Labour Party Conference....
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Bailatjones
: yes, and with a quick responseI would take 'se gagner a gauche' meaning that they advance/move toward the left
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PFB (X)
: party conference
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Sarah Walls
: spot on.
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Comment: "Thanks all round for your valuable help"
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Convention
"grande messe" du parti, avec vote sur les différentes motions des courants, pour dégager une ligne de conduite et "l'homme fort"
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Leftist Parties of France1983, rest of Union of Marxist-Leninist Communists of France (UCFML) ... Socialist, Lay and Republican Convention, Convention Socialiste, ...
www.broadleft.org/fr.htm - 289k
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le/les vainqueurs sont ceux dont la motion arrive en tête, avant ou après synthèse finale entre motions pour projeter une impression de consensus + ou - sincère
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Leftist Parties of France1983, rest of Union of Marxist-Leninist Communists of France (UCFML) ... Socialist, Lay and Republican Convention, Convention Socialiste, ...
www.broadleft.org/fr.htm - 289k
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Note added at 17 mins (2006-04-07 14:10:53 GMT)
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le/les vainqueurs sont ceux dont la motion arrive en tête, avant ou après synthèse finale entre motions pour projeter une impression de consensus + ou - sincère
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MikeGarcia
: nd not "congress"???(just asking...)
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Georges Tocco
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irenef
: It should refer to the fact that party leaders and presidential candidates are chosen during party conventions. You win conventions by taking radical left stances (quoting Mittérand) but then move towards the Right when in power. As Chris&Sarah said.
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Here's my take on your sentence FWIW:
" the French socialists, forced into Marxist overstatement by their Union of the Left strategy with the Communist Party, hamstrung by the rule that congresses are won on the left leaving governments to then govern to the right, were still stuck with the dogma of the mythical break with the market economy."
Hope that helps in disentangling it! Good luck.
" the French socialists, forced into Marxist overstatement by their Union of the Left strategy with the Communist Party, hamstrung by the rule that congresses are won on the left leaving governments to then govern to the right, were still stuck with the dogma of the mythical break with the market economy."
Hope that helps in disentangling it! Good luck.
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I don't think the two parties meet in political convention beforehand. I think in this context, we are talking about the legislative arm of the Government. In French law, Congrès is used for a meeting of both houses, Assemblée nationale and Sénat.
From wikipeida en français:
"Le Congrès du Parlement français est la réunion au Château de Versailles des deux chambres du Parlement français, l'Assemblée nationale et le Sénat, pour le vote d'une révision de la Constitution."
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I believe the author has extended the sense of congrès as used in the law to a more general term for the legislative branch of the government.
From wikipeida en français:
"Le Congrès du Parlement français est la réunion au Château de Versailles des deux chambres du Parlement français, l'Assemblée nationale et le Sénat, pour le vote d'une révision de la Constitution."
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I believe the author has extended the sense of congrès as used in the law to a more general term for the legislative branch of the government.
Reference:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congr%C3%A8s_du_Parlement_fran%C3%A7ais
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/connaissance/reglement-congres.asp
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PFB (X)
: The question is not about the French constitution, it's about French Socialists meeting to a dopt a political platform/strategy, etc... at a conference.// Read:... les congrès (du Parti socialiste) se gagnent...
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But do the two political parties meet together in a convention of the Union de la Gauche?
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isn't it the Socialist Congress, etc.?
CPC Representative Leaves for French Socialist Party Congress. Zhang Zhijun, deputy head of the International Department of the Communist Party of China ...
english.people.com.cn/english/200011/22/eng20001122_55860.html
At an emergency congress of the French Socialist Party held in Le Mans November 18-20 the party’s various factions united in order to defend the French ...
www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/spfr-n28.shtml
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votes taken at the Congress would always be won by the left, any tnedency to the right wasn't possible - but the Socialists were in an uncomfortable position
The 22nd Congress presented itself as a historical event, and as a turning-point in the history of the Party. Why is it a ‘historic’ congress?...Here, too, things were not openly stated by the 22nd Congress, but they are important and must be deciphered. This is the question of the slogan ‘union of the people of France’, that George Marchais had proposed before the 21st Congress and that the 22nd Congress readopted in its strongest form. This slogan is not synonymous with the slogan of the Union of the Left. It is broader than it, and different in nature; for it does not designate just the union or united action of the political organizations of the Left, parties and trade unions.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1977/22n...
CPC Representative Leaves for French Socialist Party Congress. Zhang Zhijun, deputy head of the International Department of the Communist Party of China ...
english.people.com.cn/english/200011/22/eng20001122_55860.html
At an emergency congress of the French Socialist Party held in Le Mans November 18-20 the party’s various factions united in order to defend the French ...
www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/spfr-n28.shtml
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votes taken at the Congress would always be won by the left, any tnedency to the right wasn't possible - but the Socialists were in an uncomfortable position
The 22nd Congress presented itself as a historical event, and as a turning-point in the history of the Party. Why is it a ‘historic’ congress?...Here, too, things were not openly stated by the 22nd Congress, but they are important and must be deciphered. This is the question of the slogan ‘union of the people of France’, that George Marchais had proposed before the 21st Congress and that the 22nd Congress readopted in its strongest form. This slogan is not synonymous with the slogan of the Union of the Left. It is broader than it, and different in nature; for it does not designate just the union or united action of the political organizations of the Left, parties and trade unions.
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1977/22n...
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