Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
PMC = parquet / moulures / cheminée(s)
English translation:
wood floors, cornices, fireplace(s)
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Mar 8, 2007 22:18
17 yrs ago
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French term
PMC
French to English
Bus/Financial
Real Estate
Property adverts, Paris apartments
This odd abbreviation keeps cropping up, sometimes expressed as P/M/C, and sort of just buried in the list with bathrooms, WCs, bedrooms, etc.
It seems in some way to relate to the type of property, but I can't find anything that relates it to 'investment' or 'first-time buyer' or anything like that, though I suspect it must be something like that.
I've trawled the Web and found literally dozens of versions of this acronym, but nothing that has so far fitted exactly with a property advert; of course, there are plenty of those out there with it in — but not explained!
Needless to say, I've tried the KudoZ glossary, but nothing there is relevant to this context.
Sorry to bother you, but I'm working to a tight deadline here!
It seems in some way to relate to the type of property, but I can't find anything that relates it to 'investment' or 'first-time buyer' or anything like that, though I suspect it must be something like that.
I've trawled the Web and found literally dozens of versions of this acronym, but nothing that has so far fitted exactly with a property advert; of course, there are plenty of those out there with it in — but not explained!
Needless to say, I've tried the KudoZ glossary, but nothing there is relevant to this context.
Sorry to bother you, but I'm working to a tight deadline here!
Proposed translations
(English)
Change log
Mar 9, 2007 07:56: Gayle Wallimann changed "Term asked" from "PMC [URGENT!]" to "PMC "
Proposed translations
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57 mins
French term (edited):
PMC [URGENT!]
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wooden flooring, mouldings, fireplace
PMC = parquet moulure cheminée
at least it seems to when it is, as you say, mixed in amongst séjour, pièces etc
at least it seems to when it is, as you say, mixed in amongst séjour, pièces etc
Example sentence:
http://www.viteloge.com/sitemap/immobilier_vente_appartement_t2_paris_75056.html
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: not enough context to tell. would be good to the exact text. certainly not an answer to ignore.
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thanks...
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kironne
: hmmmm... I think this may be it http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=...
15 mins
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| agree |
Kate Hudson (X)
: much more likely in the context
43 mins
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| neutral |
liz askew
: I'd say this was a possibility, for what it's worth.
9 hrs
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| agree |
Bourth (X)
: If the apartments are not new - which they may be if no lifts -, a definite possibility.
10 hrs
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| agree |
Conor McAuley
: Confirmed by my brother who checked with a French estate agent
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thnaks a lot, Mark! Well found, as you can see, I went into 'panic mode' when I tried to research it myself, and drawing a blank with the estate agent himself didn't help! As for please for 'more context', there isn't any, short of my posting around 50 property ads., which would only prove that it is being used more or less in isolation, but juxtaposed with the interior appointments of the flats more than anything else. In fact, 'moulures' is probably best translated as 'cornices', since that's usually what is involved (along with centre roses, etc., but you can't explain all that in an advert...!)"
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33 mins
French term (edited):
PMC [URGENT!]
proximité du métro ainsi que/ et des commerces
Finally!
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Note added at 34 mins (2007-03-08 22:53:43 GMT)
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p.s.
You probably know, but "TBE" = tres bon état.
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Prêt à déménager Maison mobile dont la marque est PMC, grandeur 14'X64', trois chambres, entrée électrique 200 ampères, chauffage; plinthe électrique, ...
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Note added at 34 mins (2007-03-08 22:53:43 GMT)
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p.s.
You probably know, but "TBE" = tres bon état.
Note from asker:
| Liz, I really appreciate your taking the time and trouble to answer! At the same time, I do think your rather sharp remarks to some peer comments are out of place — everyone is trying to contribute in whatever way will be most helpful, and I for one am most grateful for ALL input, which I'm sure is not in any way intended as personal criticism. Regarding your taking the time and trouble to paste refs: yes, it is most obliging of answerers to do this, and I know only too well from personal experience how time-consuming it can be. However, merely pasting a welter of Googles, some of which clearly do not support an Answerer's headword suggestion, might be seen as somewhat counter-productive; after all, I have done the Googling myself and come up with a mind-numbing number of hits that none of us has the time to sift through — and I certainly wouldn't be so lazy as to expect my colleagues to do that for me! All that said, although your suggestion was certainly an intelligent guess, I'm afraid I have been unable to find anything concrete to back it up, and certain aspects of my surrounding context (position in text, other remarks in parallel...) lead me to believe this is not the solution I was looking for. |
| Yes, thanks, TBE très bon état (= VGC) was one I did work out, but was more puzzled at first by TBEG = très bon état général ! |
Peer comment(s):
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kironne
: Haha! I took so long to copy-paste everything! Good job!
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Thanks!
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Bourth (X)
: While I can but agree, I fear that some of your examples let you down ("marque PMC" has nothing to do with it, and seems to refer to mobile homes, of which there are not a lot in Paris).
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I send in ALL refs I paste, so the reader can see how I arrived at my conclusions. I send in refs I could eliminate, admittedly, but that would take up valuable time!
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writeaway
: I'd say this was a possibility but don't agree with 'ainsi que' in such a context. you shouldn't just list an entire unedited google page, but select refs that apply to the question.
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Don't be cheeky! I list refs I have discovered which lead me to the actual answer. It would be time-consuming to do otherwise, as I do answer a lot of queries. Though I do take your point and will try in future. At least I provide refs, some don't try!
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Kate Hudson (X)
: Your first references were to a brand of mobile home in Canada. And the place in which PMC appears in the other references certainly would not lead me to think it refers to the metro or shops
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38 mins
French term (edited):
PMC [URGENT!]
Proximité/Proche Métro Commodités
Very unsure of this, but the ads I've found that talk about proximity do not include PMC, but do say Proche/Proximité Métro Commodités, which of course is something you want in Paris
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Note from asker:
| Thanks, Kironne! Certainly, an intelligent guess, but none of the occurrences any of has found so far backs this up directly. |
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29 mins
French term (edited):
PMC [URGENT!]
proche métro commerces / commodités
Educated guesswork.
While there are 50,000 ghits for "pmc + immobilier", there are only 925 for "pmc + immobilier + proche" (of which many will be "proche banlieue" or "proche Gambetta", etc.), suggesting that "proche" may be included in "pmc".
See if it fits in all your examples.
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Note added at 44 mins (2007-03-08 23:03:26 GMT)
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Of course down there in your moulin limousin/corrézien you don't know about metros, much less commodités! (yet? still?)
While there are 50,000 ghits for "pmc + immobilier", there are only 925 for "pmc + immobilier + proche" (of which many will be "proche banlieue" or "proche Gambetta", etc.), suggesting that "proche" may be included in "pmc".
See if it fits in all your examples.
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Note added at 44 mins (2007-03-08 23:03:26 GMT)
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Of course down there in your moulin limousin/corrézien you don't know about metros, much less commodités! (yet? still?)
Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot, Alex! I'm afraid this is one of those cases where the logic doesn't quite hold up, and in spite of my lack of proximity to such things, I do know what 'métro' and 'commodities' are! |
8 hrs
French term (edited):
PMC [URGENT!]
Wooden flooring, fitted carpet, tiles
I think if it keeps cropping up amongst bathrooms, bedrooms WC, that must be it.
Sorry not to have seen it before this morning, when it must be too late.
tony, you would be well advised to get into the good books of an estate agency, if the job goes on and on!
Sorry not to have seen it before this morning, when it must be too late.
tony, you would be well advised to get into the good books of an estate agency, if the job goes on and on!
Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot, Claudette, for your suggestion, which turns out to be very nearly bang on! The very problem was, I actaulyl asked the estate agent who wrote the ad., and they couldn't tell me what it meant! In fact, it isn't 'moquette' or 'carrelage', but you were pretty close! |
Discussion
Thanks a lot for your answers! I'm now happy with what I've got, so don't want anyone to waste any more time on my behalf.
I will wait the regulation 24 hrs before finally closing and grading.
THANKS A BUNCH, EVERYONE!