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concretar? please see explanation

English translation: becomes a reality / materialises (with)

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Spanish term or phrase:se concreta (en)
English translation:becomes a reality / materialises (with)
Entered by: margaret caulfield

07:10 Jun 9, 2010
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
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Spanish term or phrase: concretar? please see explanation
I'm proof reading a document for which I do not have the original source text (not sure there was one, looks like it was written directly in English. It is generally excellent although this does not sound good:
The cornerstone of the Neoclassical Revolution after 1870 was the marginalist theory of distribution (Walras, 1874; Marshall, 1890; Fisher, 1930). This theory is concreted in a downward-sloping demand function for capital.
This is obviously based on "concretar" and not sure what to change it for. At the moment I have defined by - any economists out there have a better idea?
peter jackson
Spain
Local time: 15:59
becomes a reality / materialises (with)
Explanation:
i.e. "This theory becomes a reality /materialises with a downward-sloping demand..."

This was my first thought. Personally, I prefer "becomes a reality", but take your choice.

P.S. "materializes" if for US English.
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margaret caulfield
Local time: 15:59
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help, Maragaret.
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Summary of answers provided
4 +3becomes a reality / materialises (with)
margaret caulfield
4 +2se concreta, se define
Leonardo Lamarche
4 +1nothing
Nikki Graham
4evidenced by
Catherine Gilsenan
3epitomiz/s/e
liz askew
3is borne out by
Lisa McCarthy
3postulates
Andrew Langdon-Davies (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
concrete vs concretize
argosys

  

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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
nothing


Explanation:
I am not an economist. However, why not leave it out altogether and instead combine the sentences, as this would be more succinct.

i.e. The cornerstone of the Neoclassical Revolution after 1870 was the marginalist theory of distribution (Walras, 1874; Marshall, 1890; Fisher, 1930), a downward-sloping demand function for capital.

Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:59
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 11

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Andy Watkinson: The common "overwordiness" of the Spanish doesn't need replicating.
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Andy.
agree  philgoddard: Translators don't make enough use of the Nothing solution, in my opinion.
5 hrs
  -> I know. Every time I read my work through, I try to cut more out.
disagree  argosys: Certainly it makes since if "concretiz(s)ed" were used.
1 day 1 hr
  -> I do not understand the point you are trying to make or why a disagree is warranted
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epitomiz/s/e


Explanation:
Boil down Synonyms, Boil down Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
Synonyms: abbreviate, abstract, boil down, classify, codify, compress, condense, cut, cut down, cut to bone, decrease, epitomize, get to the meat, ...
thesaurus.com/browse/boil+down - Cached

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summarize | Spanish | Dictionary & Translation by Babylon
resumir | abreviar | acortar | abstraer | condensar | compendiar | simplificar | concretar | extractar | epitomar | hacer breve | achicar | sintetizar ...
www.babylon.com/definition/summarize/Spanish - Cached - Similar
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concretarse - English Translation - Word Magic Spanish-English ...
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concretarse is an enclitic form of Spanish verb concretar ... concrete; Synonyms: hacer breve, hacer un resumen de, resumir, abreviar, compendiar, ...
www.wordmagicsoft.com/dictionary/es-en/concretarse.php - Cached

liz askew
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 36
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
becomes a reality / materialises (with)


Explanation:
i.e. "This theory becomes a reality /materialises with a downward-sloping demand..."

This was my first thought. Personally, I prefer "becomes a reality", but take your choice.

P.S. "materializes" if for US English.

margaret caulfield
Local time: 15:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 28
Grading comment
Many thanks for your help, Maragaret.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Rachel Spencer: Ah, sorry, I didn't see this when I posted my response. Wholly agree; though I would tend towards saying 'materialises in the..'
10 mins
  -> Thanks, Rachel.
agree  Natalia Pedrosa (X): I'm with Rachel. ;)
3 hrs
  -> Thanks, Natalia.
agree  argosys: I'd say "given a reality" or "affirmed"
1 day 1 hr
  -> Thanks, argosys, although I think your suggestion changes the meaning slightly. However, you may be right (I do make mistakes - honestly!).
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
is borne out by


Explanation:
Another idea, though I'm no economist either :)

What Is This Thing Called Science? - Google Books Result
Alan F. Chalmers - 2006 - Science - 288 pages
No matter which comes first, the facts or the theory, the question to be addressed is the extent to which the **theory is borne out by the facts***. ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0702230936...

Lisa McCarthy
Spain
Local time: 15:59
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 36
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
se concreta, se define


Explanation:
Mi sugerencia.
se concreta ( o se define) en una función de demanda descendiente para capitales.

Leonardo Lamarche
Venezuela
Local time: 09:59
Works in field
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 16

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  jude dabo
10 hrs
  -> Muchas gracias Jude.
agree  Juan Moreno: "Se define", es a mi juicio lo mas adecuado.
1 day 42 mins
  -> Muchas gracias Juan.
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22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
postulates


Explanation:
?

Andrew Langdon-Davies (X)
Spain
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Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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1 day 6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
evidenced by


Explanation:
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Note added at 1 day6 hrs (2010-06-10 13:13:04 GMT)
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or "as evidenced by"

Catherine Gilsenan
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:59
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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Reference comments


1 day 3 hrs
Reference: concrete vs concretize

Reference information:
If the original text was in English, the word used was most probably "concretized". There is a tendency for translators to render "concretar" to "concrete" in verb form, instead of the usual correct form "concretize".

The Oxford Spanish-English Business Dictionary translates concretar as "to fix, to set"

English definitions of the verb form concrete and concretize:

A. Concrete –verb (used with object) (concretes, concreting, concreted)

10 to treat or lay with concrete: to concrete a sidewalk.
11. to form into a mass by coalescence of particles; render solid.
12. to make real, tangible, or particular.
–verb (used without object)
13. to coalesce into a mass; become solid; harden.
14. to use or apply concrete.

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B. con·cre·tize (concretizes, concretizing, concretized)

to make concrete, real, or particular; give tangible or definite form to: to concretize abstractions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/concretize

"This theory is concretized in a downward-sloping demand function for capital." is the appropriate rendering of this sentence. It is valid use of the term to express the view that a theory is "set" or "fixed" in the downward-sloping demand curve for capital. It means that economists can agree on the basis of the relationships shown by the demand curve. Unlike philosophers who can argue endlessly until the cows come home, economists convince one another and reconcile their views through the logic of graphs and formulas.

argosys
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