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English term

Bismuth subcitrate potassium

English to French Medical Medical: Pharmaceuticals composant d'un médicamment
medicament pour l'ulcère peptique au H. pylori

sous-citrate de bismuth...?

J'ai trouvé un seul exemple de "sous-citrate de potassium de bismuth"

merci de m'éclairer

Discussion

sktrans (asker) Sep 30, 2010:
Merci infiniment a tous pour vos réponses et vos recherches et surtout a Helen. J'ai rendu ma traduction comme sous-citrate de bismuth? et avisé le client de la difficulté et des possibilités. Je ne sais pas ce que le client choisira.
orgogozo Sep 29, 2010:
On dit plutôt "sous citrate"
SJLD Sep 28, 2010:
Dans les articles médicaux, je ne trouve que "sous citrate" ou "sous-citrate" sinon "citrate de bismuth".
Par ex. http://www.snfge.asso.fr/01-Bibliotheque/0D-Pratiques-cliniq...
sktrans (asker) Sep 28, 2010:
Je suis très fatiguée de ma traduction. Est-ce que "subcitrate" est un mot français? même si on le trouve sur google

Proposed translations

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subcitrate de bismuth

Helicobacter pylori et maladie par reflux gastro-œsophagien .... quadruple thérapie associant ésoméprazole (2 x 40 mg/j) + subcitrate de bismuth (2 x 240 ... L'ulcère peptique est la cause la plus fréquente (50%) d'une hémorragie digestive .... A randomized, comparative trial of a potassium-competitive acid blocker ...
titan.medhyg.ch/mh/formation/print.php3?sid=33792
Peer comment(s):

agree Lionel_M (X) : http://www.termsciences.fr/-/Index/Rechercher/Rapide/Navigue...
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Thank you Lionel.
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subcitrate de potassium de bismuth

Je n'ai pas trouvé l'expression telle quelle sur internet, je combine "potassium de bismuth" et "subcitrate de bismuth".

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Subcitrate figure sur le site TermScience, http://www.termsciences.fr/-/Index/Rechercher/Classique/Navi...
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citrate de bismuth

http://www.curehunter.com/public/keywordSummaryC002791.do

http://www.chemicalbook.com/ChemicalProductProperty_EN_CB539...

http://www.biam2.org/www/Sub3460.html

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bismuth subcitrate; Armstrong brand of bismuth tripotassium dicitrate; Bi-citrate; Biselic; Bismofarma; De-Nol; De-Noltab; DeNol; Farmasa brand of bismuth tripotassium dicitrate; Gastrodenol; ICN brand of bismuth tripotassium dicitrate; Sucrato; Ventrisol-polfa; Yamanouchi brand of bismuth tripotassium dicitrate; bismuth citrate; colloidal bismuth subcitrate; tripotassium-dicitrato bismuthate

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Ceci dit, si on google "Helicobacter pylori" + "citrate de bismuth" il y a pas mal de hits pour "sous-citrate"

http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=1T4GZEZ_frLU285LU286&q...

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http://www.fmcgastro.org/include/PJ/351.pdf

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dicitratobismuthate tripotassique

Les sels de bismuth ont été testés les premiers en raison de
leurs propriétés antibactériennes et de leur rôle dans le traitement
anti-ulcéreux. Ils sont utilisés sous formes de souscitrate
ou le plus souvent de sous-salicylate de bismuth ou
encore de dicitratobismuthate tripotassique (sous-citrate de
bismuth colloïdal).

du Centre National Hospitalier d’Information sur le Médicament

http://www.cnhim.org/Dossier du CNHIM - PDF/dossiers/DOSSIER...
Peer comment(s):

neutral Helen Genevier : I agree with your later comments including souscitrate, but the Martindale ref specifies it"s different from the colloidal form and plain citrate
14 hrs
yes, you're right - perhapy the fact that it's not authorized for use in France has an effect on whether it gets translated or not ;-) In any case I think we can rule out "subcitrate" as French
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Reference comments

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Reference:

sous-citrate de bismuth

A l'étranger, le bismuth est utilisé en thérapeutique sous forme de sous-citrate de bismuth-colloïdal. Il a une indication unique, le traitement de l'ulcère ...
www.pharmacorama.com/.../Platine_Au__Ag6.php
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Helen Genevier : most likely I think, given the presence of all the sous-x de bismuth on Martindale (see my ref entry). Not sure how you work in the potassium part though
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thanks Helen
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Reference:

the Martindale entry for bismuth subcitrate potassium

Drug Nomenclature (Latest modification: 17-Aug-2010)

Synonyms: 1001277; Biskalcitrate potassium; Bismuth Biscalcitrate; Bismuth biskalcitrate; Основный Калиевый Цитрат Висмута
USAN: Bismuth Subcitrate Potassium
Chemical name: Bismuth pentapotassium dihydroxide bis(2-hydroxypropane-1,2,3-tricarboxylate hydrate)
Molecular formula: C12H14BiK5O17 =834.7
CAS: 880149-29-1
UNII code: R3O80H60KX
Martindale code: 25065-e
NOTE: Do not confuse with bismuth citrate () or tripotassium dicitratobismuthate (colloidal bismuth subcitrate, ).

Although it does not give the French, the rest of the page on bismuth compounds has several forms that include sous- in the name, i.e. Bismuth Subgallate > Bismuth, sous-gallate de; Bismuth Subnitrate > Bismuth, sous-nitrate de; Bismuth Salicylate > Bismuth, sous-salicylate de; Bismuth Subcarbonate > Bismuth, sous-carbonate de

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The same ref also says:
"Tripotassium dicitratobismuthate is active against Helicobacter pylori and has been used as triple therapy (with metronidazole and either tetracycline or amoxicillin) to eradicate this organism and thereby prevent relapse of duodenal ulcer. It is also used as a mucosal protectant for the treatment of peptic ulcer disease (). Bismuth subcitrate potassium and bismuth salicylate are also active against H. pylori and have been used similarly in eradication regimens."
The whole list of bismuth compounds it includes is:
Bismuth Aluminate
Bismuth Citrate
Bismuth Oxide
Bismuth Salicylate
Bismuth Subcarbonate
Bismuth Subcitrate Potassium
Bismuth Subgallate
Bismuth Subnitrate
Tripotassium Dicitratobismuthate
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