Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Apr 16, 2013 09:10
11 yrs ago
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French term
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Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, Dutch to French, French to English, and 1 more.
espace de garde
Non-PRO
French to English
Other
Education / Pedagogy
création d'espace jeu
Le texte se penche sur la transformation de lieux où sont gardés les enfants en espace de jeu
Voici la phrase :
Aménager un espace de garde d’enfant de 0 à 6 ans en un espace de jeux, afin d’améliorer la qualité de l’accueil des enfants et ainsi contribuer à leur mieux être et leur sain développement.
je ne voudrais pas mettre un terme qui soit trop "policier"
Je ne pense pas que ce soit une crèche ici
Voici la phrase :
Aménager un espace de garde d’enfant de 0 à 6 ans en un espace de jeux, afin d’améliorer la qualité de l’accueil des enfants et ainsi contribuer à leur mieux être et leur sain développement.
je ne voudrais pas mettre un terme qui soit trop "policier"
Je ne pense pas que ce soit une crèche ici
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | care centre |
kashew
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| 2 +4 | childcare space/area |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
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| 4 | drop-in centre |
B D Finch
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| 3 | safe reception area for children |
cchat
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| 4 -2 | playgroup |
Anne Greaves
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PRO (1): David Goward
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Proposed translations
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care centre
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11 mins
safe reception area for children
Just a suggestion really.
Inspection reports on nursery schools by OFSTED might give useful pointers for British English (see link).
Inspection reports on nursery schools by OFSTED might give useful pointers for British English (see link).
Peer comment(s):
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Nikki Scott-Despaigne
: "Safe" suggests there are some which are not. The matter is not raised in the orig. Same source : types of childcare gives children's centre, early years childcare etc.//Yes. Was on the board of one fm funding to up + running. Orig. ds not say "sécurisé".
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I agree, but "espace de garde" needs to be safe. There are very strict rules in France about spaces for children aged 0 to 6, hence my suggestion.
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Jane Proctor (X)
: weird!
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11 mins
drop-in centre
Otherwise known as an "halte-garderie", our communité de communes has just opened one in the new swimming pool centre. If you compare the two references posted below, you will see that these are equivalent even if the French version seems, possibly, more regulated.
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It is necessary to specify that this is a children's drop-in centre, as there are also drop-in centres for use by local communities, alcoholics, drug addicts etc.!
http://www.dragonhall.org.uk/young-people/children-centre/
"The Under 5s Drop In Friday mornings from 10am to 2pm. All under 5s are welcome with their parents or carers. Lots of space to run around, different activities each week including trips out to other venues or the Phoenix Gardens.
The Drop In is open during school term times – trips out during the holidays can be arranged by parents and the Drop In Manager."
www.fifedirect.org.uk/whatson/index.cfm?fuseaction=whatson....
"Children's Drop In Centre 2 Inverkeithing High School Community Use offers a unique creche on Friday evenings (6pm until 8.30pm) for children aged 5 years ..."
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Note added at 16 mins (2013-04-16 09:27:27 GMT)
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It is necessary to specify that this is a children's drop-in centre, as there are also drop-in centres for use by local communities, alcoholics, drug addicts etc.!
http://www.dragonhall.org.uk/young-people/children-centre/
"The Under 5s Drop In Friday mornings from 10am to 2pm. All under 5s are welcome with their parents or carers. Lots of space to run around, different activities each week including trips out to other venues or the Phoenix Gardens.
The Drop In is open during school term times – trips out during the holidays can be arranged by parents and the Drop In Manager."
www.fifedirect.org.uk/whatson/index.cfm?fuseaction=whatson....
"Children's Drop In Centre 2 Inverkeithing High School Community Use offers a unique creche on Friday evenings (6pm until 8.30pm) for children aged 5 years ..."
Peer comment(s):
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Jane Proctor (X)
: too general. Conjures up images of old folk and the homeless.. also not necessarily somewhere you can leave your children in the care of others
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That is subjective; the fact is that "children's drop-in centre" is a widely-used term.
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writeaway
: conjures up those boxes where they drop in unwanted newborns
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Unless one thinks that the children drop in. The important aspect of this term is that you might have different children each day and that it is short-stay.
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15 mins
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
Native in English
Specializes in field
Psychologist, Court-certified legal
Native in: English 
Works in: French to English
Related KudoZ points
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childcare space/area
I am about to state something obvious : if you have nothing that specific, you have to remain general. If this is not a crèche (which is the case as the max age limit is too high), it may be a "halte-garderie". In any event a particular area is being described here. However, it is anyone's guess, particularly ours without more complete context, as to whether this is a building, part of a building, a room, part of a room.
In view of the foregoing, "childcare area" or something similar will have to do, unless you ask your client what is actually being meant.
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In context, I think that the structural space is already known as it is a question of adapting or converting (aménager) the area for a particular purpose, a play area (espace de jeux).
"Aménager un espace de garde d’enfant de 0 à 6 ans en un espace de jeux..."
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Note added at 20 mins (2013-04-16 09:31:45 GMT)
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Something intangible, describing the function of the group may actually b a good way round it : playgroup, drop-in centre etc as suggested by Anne and Barbara. It means moving from the French idea of the actual physical space towards its purpose, but it may be along the right track.
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Note added at 56 mins (2013-04-16 10:07:01 GMT)
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From Cchat's link to the OFSTED site, then there is a link to types of childcare.
Children's Centre, Early Years Centre may be helpful.
In view of the foregoing, "childcare area" or something similar will have to do, unless you ask your client what is actually being meant.
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Note added at 18 mins (2013-04-16 09:28:50 GMT)
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In context, I think that the structural space is already known as it is a question of adapting or converting (aménager) the area for a particular purpose, a play area (espace de jeux).
"Aménager un espace de garde d’enfant de 0 à 6 ans en un espace de jeux..."
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Note added at 20 mins (2013-04-16 09:31:45 GMT)
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Something intangible, describing the function of the group may actually b a good way round it : playgroup, drop-in centre etc as suggested by Anne and Barbara. It means moving from the French idea of the actual physical space towards its purpose, but it may be along the right track.
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Note added at 56 mins (2013-04-16 10:07:01 GMT)
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From Cchat's link to the OFSTED site, then there is a link to types of childcare.
Children's Centre, Early Years Centre may be helpful.
Peer comment(s):
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Jane Proctor (X)
1 hr
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| agree |
SafeTex
: this takes into account the area/space which is clearly needed here
1 hr
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| agree |
writeaway
: simple enough. no need to complicate matters
1 hr
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| neutral |
B D Finch
: "Garde" includes the idea that children may be left there on an ad hoc basis.
3 hrs
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| agree |
Verginia Ophof
5 hrs
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13 mins
playgroup
Often used in the UK although usually for pre-school children
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Note added at 19 mins (2013-04-16 09:30:30 GMT)
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school starting age could of course be later than the UK in the countries in question.
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Note added at 21 hrs (2013-04-17 06:33:48 GMT)
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Play area would be another option
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Note added at 19 mins (2013-04-16 09:30:30 GMT)
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school starting age could of course be later than the UK in the countries in question.
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Play area would be another option
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Parents often tend to stay with their children at playgroups.
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In my experience groups where parents stay are more commonly called "toddler groups"
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SafeTex
: misses completely the idea of 'area/space'
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however IMHO it covers the idea of "espace de jeu" and "leur mieux être et leur sain développement" which is the point of playgroups.
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David Goward
: The point the quoted text is trying to make is that these centres are not offering "play"; the children are just being taken care of and being stimulated through organised play activities.
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Discussion
Those countries seem to have some facilities but where children are ONLY looked after