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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

HDE (Habilitation à diriger les études)

English translation:

Accreditation to Supervise Research (HDR)

Added to glossary by liz askew
Jun 11, 2013 08:00
10 yrs ago
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French term

HDE (Habilitation à diriger les études)

French to English Science Certificates, Diplomas, Licenses, CVs Medicine (?)
I am asking this question for personal reasons, but since the term is not in the glossary I shall add any answer to the data base.

I was talking yesterday to my son-in-law, who like my daughter is a doctor. They both studied in France and each have an MD and PhD, but in addition he has an "HDE" - habilitation à diriger les études. I am unfamiliar with this qualifiaction, and was unable to provide the EN equivalent - if there is one in either UK EN or AE.

I am not sure that it is confined to the medical field.

Any ideas?
Proposed translations (English)
4 +6 Accreditation to Supervise Research (HDR)
4 -1 Habilitation
3 HDE (Habilitation à diriger les études: post doctoral degree)
3 -2 a qualification in teaching
References
HDR
Change log

Jun 16, 2013 08:21: liz askew changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/139874">Michael GREEN's</a> old entry - "HDE (Habilitation à diriger les études)"" to ""Accreditation to Supervise Research (HDR)""

Discussion

Michael GREEN (asker) Jun 11, 2013:
@ Nikki Yes, I take your point entirely with regard to the problem of translating qualifications.
I hope my question, and the discussion it has prompted, will be useful for colleagues making similar queries in future.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
I know that research comprises "études". HDR is a public sector qualification. So I suppose if you are looking for an EN equivalent, then you need to find something which is valid for the public sector : that with the proviso that qualifications, by their very nature, cannot be translated. You can give descriptive and/or explanatory phrases of course.
http://www.univ-paris1.fr/recherche/habilitation-a-diriger-d...

You will find sources for "directeur d'étude" however. The HDR exists since 1984 with new rules since 1988. What preceded would probably have left traces on the web and it is frustrating that I can find none.
Michael GREEN (asker) Jun 11, 2013:
@ Nikki Yes, as soon as I get the opportunity I will confirm the diploma title with him - but in any event, I think that whether it is HDE or HDR, the EN translation (but I'm not sure there is an equivalent qualification?) is that given by Liz, because the "études" in question are "research" in the EN understanding of the word.
But I'm on a diet, and am only allowed champagne at weekends ...
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
For my biology masters, the person who oversaw my work was an Ingénieur de Recherche, a girl with a PhD and a few years post-doc experience. The head of the research team was, and still is, an HDR.
Perhaps the simple answer would be first to check with your son-in-law. HDR is known and common in the field of biological and medical research, also in the social sciences. I have not looked beyond those fields. However, having never heard of HDE, I googled it and got only 9 hits. I conclude that, unlike HDR, it is not a recognised qualification but I may be wrong. Maybe get back to your son-in-law or have another swig ! ;-)
Michael GREEN (asker) Jun 11, 2013:
Yes .... Curiouser and curiouser .... but the reason I asked the question is that ... I don't know the answer!
;-)
Perhaps the terms have been merged recently? I know that s-in-l already had his "HDE" several years ago, since he was also the directeur d'études for my daughter's Masters 2 thesis (which is how they met, but that is another story ....).
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
Aha! My HDR is a member of the INSERM U930 and their heads of research are all HDR.
Michael GREEN (asker) Jun 11, 2013:
However .... See : http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/personnage/Peeters/18454...
"... Il est alors titulaire d’une habilitation à diriger des études, et s’ouvre ainsi la voie de la recherche."
http://linkd.in/191QxM2
"Habilitation à Diriger des Etudes, Sciences de l'Antiquité"
Michael GREEN (asker) Jun 11, 2013:
@ Nikki Thank you for your contributions - I may have mis-heard the term (it was after several glasses of my best Roederer, since we were celebrating my daughter's birthday), but I'm pretty sure he said "HDE". As I noted to Liz, "études" and "recherche" are equivalent anyway.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
Not confined to the sciences http://www.enseignants.hachette-education.com/webmaster/FLE/...
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
Nothing for HDE. I suppose you do in fact mean "HDR". http://www.univ-tours.fr/recherche/habilitation-a-diriger-le...
Sorry, in the PDF on the entry requirements, it's >5 years post-doc research experience and >ten publications.
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Jun 11, 2013:
The person who supervised my biology research masters placement and dissertation was HDR. She had the qualification to lead research projects. From memory, those who can apply to follow the course and obtain the HDR qualification must have a PhD and, I believe, >10 years post-doc experience. HDE? Not heard of that one. Let me see...

Proposed translations

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Selected

Accreditation to Supervise Research (HDR)

based on the earlier findings

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Note added at 24 mins (2013-06-11 08:24:44 GMT)
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www.ncl.ac.uk › ... › Postgraduate › Research Programmes‎
Finding a Research Supervisor. In order to conduct your postgraduate research successfully the match between you and your project supervisor is essential.

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see here
Habilitation > ****postdoctoral lecturing qualification**** - ProZ.com
www.proz.com › ... › German to English › Education / Pedagogy‎
Sep 4, 2002 – (KudoZ) German to English translation of Habilitation: postdoctoral lecturing qualification [Education / Pedagogy (Social Sciences)].

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Note added at 28 mins (2013-06-11 08:29:13 GMT)
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however, don't be distracted by the German contribution

this is just to state why I disagree with "Habilitation" in English, we would all be scratching our heads!
Note from asker:
I think this is a good solution ("études" and "research" being equivalent). My s-in-l was my daughter's research supervisor for her doctorates, and your reference postings confirm that the HDR (or HDE?) is a higher diploma obtained after a doctorate. I'll wait the recommended 24 hours, but I think I can run with this.
Peer comment(s):
agree Deirdre Brophy (X)
19 mins
Thank you!
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : I can confirm it is HDR, not HDE. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habilitation It is more than lecturing: it involves running research projects, being able to submit applications for grants & other financial aid. Certain legal liability is involved.
29 mins
Thank you again!
agree B D Finch
30 mins
Thank you!
agree AllegroTrans
41 mins
Thank you!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : seems to be best match, but keeping original
4 hrs
agree Yolanda Broad
11 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I am grateful to all contributors for pitching in, and have opted for this answer, though I am not convinced that "HDE" is an error, since I quickly found 2 Google hits to add to the verbal source that prompted my question in the first place."
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16 mins

Habilitation

Peer comment(s):
disagree liz askew : to do what, carpentry?
4 mins
agree Lise van der Eyk (X) : Exactly! It's the traditional qualification for a professorship in Germany, for example, although that's beginning to change. I don't think you can translate it, but anyone familiar with the system in FR or DE should know what you're talking about.
5 mins
disagree AllegroTrans : but this is merely the first word of a term containing 5 words - the meaning is not conveyed
44 mins
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-2
13 mins

a qualification in teaching

a suggestion..

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Il me semblait juste que dans le système français de façon général, il fallait décider après la thèse de s'orienter soit vers l'enseignement ou soit vers la recherche d'où ma réponse..mais ça a peut-être changé?

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générale (sorry for the mistake)
Note from asker:
Thank you - but I know it is a teaching qualification - that is obvious from the title, even if I was unaware that my son-in-law has PhD students under his direction - I am looking for the EN equivalent ....
Re your added note: the point made by AllegroTrans is that I am looking for a specific term. A person with an HDR/HDE is authorised to supervise research students, and in that respect it is a "teaching qualification", but there are numerous others!
Peer comment(s):
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : A number of HDR do not do an awful lot of teaching. HDRs are specifically qualified to lead research projects.
42 mins
disagree AllegroTrans : much too vague, asker is looking for specifics
45 mins
disagree Catharine Cellier-Smart : as AllegroTrans has already said, far too vague here.
2 hrs
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2 hrs

HDE (Habilitation à diriger les études: post doctoral degree)

I prefer keeping it as it is with explanation in brackets
http://www.euroeducation.net/prof/franco.htm
The Doctorat may be followed by a post-doctoral degree, the Habilitation à Diriger les Recherches, which constitutes the highest national award and is offered to academics who display the ability to carry out high level scientific research and to supervise thesis.
http://www.ephe.sorbonne.fr/en/training/
The Habilitation à Diriger des Recherches is the highest postdoctoral qualification in French academia. It formally recognizes the superior scientific skills of candidates, their original approach in a scientific area, their mastery of research strategy in a sufficiently broad scientific or technological domain, as well their ability to supervise young researchers. The EPHE has been accredited to confer the Habilitation since 2008.
Note from asker:
Thank you. As I mentioned in a discussion entry to Nikki, my s-in-l has held his qualification for several years, because he supervised my daughter's Masters 2 thesis prior to her medical doctorate and PhD theses. So perhaps we are talking about a diploma that, although still valid, has been "merged" with the HDR since then.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Possible, dixit Michael's comments. Also, not a "degree" as such.
28 mins
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Reference comments

16 mins
Reference:

HDR

I am unable to locate HDE on any French site, only

http://www.u-bourgogne-formation.fr/-Diplome-HDR,2442-.html


L’habilitation à Diriger des Recherches (HDR), est un diplôme national de l’enseignement supérieur qu’il est possible d’obtenir après un doctorat. Ce diplôme permet de postuler à un poste de professeur des universités (après inscription sur la liste de qualification par le Conseil national des universités), d’être directeur de thèse ou choisi comme rapporteur de thèse.


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http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/education_pedago...

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accreditation diploma to supervise research (HDR).

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or
accredition to supervise research

Université Joseph Fourier - Grenoble - PhD courses
www.ujf-grenoble.fr › ... › Studying › Choose your degree › PhD courses‎
PhD courses. PhD courses at the Université Joseph Fourier are shared between ten Graduate Schools ... distribute the Ministry for Higher Education and Research's research grants,; provide post-M.Phil courses and ... National Diploma ... or someone with a Habilitation qualification - accreditation to supervise research).

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p.s.
You will need to keep the original in French with the transltion in brackets, or vice-versa




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Note added at 29 mins (2013-06-11 08:29:46 GMT)
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Researching a term takes time :)
Note from asker:
Thank you, Liz - I know what it is, I am just looking for the EN title or diploma ...
Now your added note clearly comes close to the translation I'm looking for ...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : And yes, keep the original as it is a specific qualification in France.
41 mins
Thank you!
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