English term
consistent improvement
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PRO (1): PLR TRADUZIO (X)
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Proposed translations
France
Life scientist for your communication
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French
amélioration systématique
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Note added at 37 minutes (2015-02-06 10:47:36 GMT)
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Pour moi, c'est "systématique" dans le sens "à chaque fois", "de la même façon", "identique". En fait, je l'enlèverais presque de la traduction car je trouve que c'est redondant avec "in all three..."
Je ne comprends en tout cas pas "consistent" comme "significant".
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PLR TRADUZIO (X)
: Je reformule car vous avez raison sur "comparable to": XXX, comme YYY, améliore de manière significative/importante la valeur des 3 indices....C'est sur le "systématique" que je suis pas d'accord Audrey
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Moi, je ne comprends pas "comparable to YYY" comme "higher to YYY", ni comme "compared to YYY"...
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Bertrand Leduc
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amélioration constante
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Audrey Bernard-Petitjean
: je ne pense qu'il soit question de durée car on compare juste "baseline" et "30 weeks" (2 temps). Mais à 30 semaines, on a mesuré 3 indices et les 3 ont donné le même résultat : amélioration à chaque fois
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non justement, on évalue l'amélioration sur 30 semaines (from...to), sinon ça n'a aucun intérêt dans et on ne pourrait pas dire en ne mesurant qu'à T1 et T2 que l'améliration est "consistent"
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PLR TRADUZIO (X)
: la différence est consistante/importante entre la baseline et W30 non "constant improvement", comme vous traduisez: c'est de l'EN "pharmaceutique" Melodie
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ici par ex. on trouve significant et consistent, comment faites-vous la différence entre les deux alors ? http://news.bostonscientific.com/2014-06-11-Boston-Scientifi...
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Tony M
: I'd say that 'consistent' here means more 'across all patients' than any temporal sense. / Yes, I quite agree on that point: it is only 'significant' inasmuch as it is consistent across most patients, so not just a one-off fluke!
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yes Tony, constante might not be the best translation and consistent is always a tricky term to translate in French, but the point I'm trying to make is that a consistent improvement is not the same as a signficant improvement
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France
Translation with accuracy and style
Native in: French
Works in: English to French, French
on garde une certaine amélioration avec XXXX
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Tony M
: I don't see quite how one can get from 'a consistent' to 'une certaine' ; à la limite, je le verrais plutôt 'une amélioration certaine'
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"certaine" could be removed, the consistency is expressed here with "garder". So "on garde une amélioration" works too
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amélioration significative/importante
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Tony: Can you give us any concrete examples to back up your claim?
Nobody here's able to/has shown any bilingual file and you ask me to do so ?
If I send you my TM including hundreds of clinical trials, would it be fine :)
Tony, and others, here we have 2 time points: baseline and week 30 so we have 2 points of each of the 3 indexes:
So basically we have a line !
Can someone explain to me how it's possible between 2 points do "judicate" that the improvement was "constant" or that it was "systématique": it's just impossible on a mathematical point of view :)
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Françoise L'HEVEDER (X)
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Merci Françoise
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MelodieR
: consistent improvement ne peut pas être traduit comme significant/high improvement
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en jargon "pharmaceutique" si
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Tony M
: I can understand the fact that a 'consistent' improvement could imply 'statistically significant', but not the notion of 'important' as you suggest here. / Can you give us any concrete examples to back up your claim?
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It's a standard wording in clinical report Tony. I also prefer "significative", but "importante" is often used AFAIK
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Discussion
(Tony week 30, day 210, not day 30)
De même, comment peut-on avoir une augmentation systématique sur 2 points ?
From my reading of the soucre text, I don't believe this is the case; looking carefully at the way it is worded, it says: "showed ... improvement, ... from baseline to Week 30" — although it appears potentially ambiguous, I have a strong feeling that had they in any way meant 'continuous, regular improvemnt throughout the period', it would have been worded differently. 'improvement from A to B' doesn't necessarily imply anything about what happened in the period between A and B.
As Audrey points out, the 'consistency' may also (or only) be between the 3 values being measured: in other words, in all cases improvement was seen across all 3 of the values.
Mais effectivement, vous avez raison, ce n'est pas précisé et il se peut que plusieurs mesures aient effectuées entre ces deux temps. En outre, mon Meertens indique que "consistent" peut parfois avoir le sens de "constant", "régulier". Donc s'il y a eu plus de 2 mesures, cela peut être une éventualité.
C'est pourquoi j'ai modifié mon Désaccord en Neutre.
A voir avec le reste du texte et les données.
Tentative : Pour tous les patients/A chaque fois, XXX a permis d'obtenir une amélioration, similaire à celle observée avec YYY, des trois indices mesurant/évaluant.... entre le début de l'étude/l'inclusion et la semaine 30.
Je trouve qu'ici la notion de "systématique" est tout de même cohérente. Mais peut-être en utilisant un adverbe : XXX a systématiquement permis d'obtenir une amélioration, similaire à celle observée avec YYY, des trois indices mesurant/évaluant.... entre le début de l'étude/l'inclusion et la semaine 30.
My understanding (from my admittedly non-expert viewpoint!) is that 'consiistent' here means 'in all (or a good majority of) cases' — i.e. all patients showed improvements; so it would be 'consistent across the study group'.
To my mind, that is the only way it can be interpreted here, since 'consistent over a period of time' wouldn't really make a lot of sense in this particular context — and do please note it is not 'consistent with...', which is of course a quite different meaning again!