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Glossary entry

français term or phrase:

la caisse Piano

anglais translation:

(piano) crate

Added to glossary by Louise Etheridge
Apr 26, 2015 19:21
9 yrs ago
français term

la caisse Piano

français vers anglais Technique / Génie Transport / expédition Products and packaging
This term appears in a list of specifications about a Supplier's obligations in terms of packaging/delivery to the customer.

I'm not sure of the exact meaning but it might to relate to a piano. I can only assume it means the case, although I'm not sure whether it would refer to an upright or grand piano (possibly a grand piano because the section above this instance refers to 'legs'. However, one other meaning could refer to a 'range cooker'. This is also a possibility because the previous items referred to in the specifications are 'mattresses, divans, sofas and hobs' so it is possible that they do mean a cooker and not piano. In any case, it seems that they won't deliver these products.

It appears as follows in the text:

2.2 Canapés
a. Emballage carton
Carton intégral type caisse américaine (aux dimensions du produit) avec double rabats haut & bas
chevauchant au minimum de 20cms.
Notre recommandation étant un chevauchement complet.
Housse plastique intérieure de protection enveloppant le produit.
Fermeture par larges bandes adhésives ou bandes gommées.

Impératif pour les produits avec accoudoirs :

Soit Tubes de cartons rigides à chaque coin

soit 4 cornières cartonnées rigides.

Interdit : la caisse Piano.

Is anyone able to provide further clarification? Many thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (anglais)
3 +1 piano crate
4 -1 piano case
References
This might be of some interest
Could it be this?

Discussion

Charles Davis Apr 27, 2015:
@Tony Many thanks for the vote of confidence and the suggestion! I do think they're saying they don't want crates. However, I'm still not really confident of the right translation, and Louise is going to consult the client, so I think I'll leave it as it is.
Tony M Apr 27, 2015:
@ Charles I feel sure you have got this right, and you should submit an actual answer!

They seem to be saying that, while they WILL accept ordinary cardboard cartons (albeit presumably pretty big ones!), they are not prepared to accept these ones with pallet-like wooden corner 'feet' — seems curious, but perhaps they are simply not geared up with the right handling equipment OR maybe they want to be able to stack things one on top of the other (not generally recommended with these 'piano crates'!)
Louise Etheridge (asker) Apr 27, 2015:
Thanks very much for all your contributions and ideas. The specifications relate to freight deliveries by road. It mainly concerns pick-up from the depot by the transport carrier to customers' homes. It appears that the type of goods that are being transported range from groceries, textiles through to domestic appliances. There is only one section about packaging/handling specifications. I'm not sure if this information really helps but the suggestions about crates do appear to fit the context.
Charles Davis Apr 27, 2015:
Or just (wooden) crates? The caisse piano in my reference has legs and is designed to be handled by a forklift. It seems to consist of wooden panels.

The thing is that a piano crate, in English, is literally for pianos, and I don't see how you could get a sofa into one.

The "caisse piano" I cited seems, as far as I can tell, to be designed for protecting delicate and valuable objects such as sculptures. So it'll be very sturdy and correspondingly heavy. Maybe that's why it's "interdit" in this document.
Charles Davis Apr 27, 2015:
Flight cases? In the distant days when I used to help out roadying for my brother's band, the sound equipment used to go in flight cases, though not for air transport, just to go in the back of a big van. I wonder if that's what they mean? They're often metal, but there are wooden ones too. They're very heavy, as I vividly remember.
Catharine Cellier-Smart Apr 27, 2015:
What we really need to know is what 2.2 is part of.
Does this refer to air transport, or a freight elevator for example?
Is this for international house moving?
Louise Etheridge (asker) Apr 26, 2015:
Thanks again Tony. I'm afraid there isn't much context for the term 'la caisse Piano' as it doesn't appear anywhere else in the text, but generally in the clause about packaging specifications. I did wonder if it could refer to something totally different as you say but really not sure. Let's see what other suggestions come up.
Tony M Apr 26, 2015:
caisse Almost certainly means 'packing case / crate of some kind, I'd have thought?

As for 'piano', it seems odd they should refer to 'LA caisse piano' — I can't help thinking it is more about a particular kind of packing case / crate.

Possibly these are even CARBOARD cartons.

As to what exactly 'piano' would be describing, I'm afraid I haven't a clue.

As you say, both musical pianos and professional cookers MIGHT come in some kind of packing crate — but I can't see (from the little context given) why these should so specifically be prohibited, the size and/or weight being quite different.

As they contrast it with the 'caisse américaine', I can't help thinking these are just different variants on packaging for settees etc. Perhaps if you look that up, it may help you to understand what it might be contrasted with?

Proposed translations

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1 jour 18 heures
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piano crate

Assuming it's actually for a piano.
Reference:

http://rebul.com.au/industries/removals-freight-forwarders/export-piano-crate/

http://sofrapack.com/fr/nos-produits/caisses-sur-mesure/caisse-piano/

Note from asker:
Thanks Claude-Andrew. In the end I just had to put a note to the client explaining that this is a type of crate that may or may not be for pianos.
Peer comment(s):
agree Tony M : Although i'm pretty sure it ISN'T for an actual piano (please see earlier discussions), I do think this is probably what it means, as a type of crate.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Again, there were a fair few contributions on this one, all of which were helpful. I wasn't able to award points to Charles, as it was a reference only post. It seems that crate (possibly for a piano or not) was the closest answer. Thanks again."
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16 heures

piano case

The piano is not only a music instrument, but also a piece of furniture including its own case

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Note added at 16 hrs (2015-04-27 12:10:15 GMT)
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http://deltacases.stores.yahoo.net/pishandstca.html
Note from asker:
Many thanks François. I did wonder whether it simply meant 'piano case' but it seemed almost too simple. So does it simply mean piano case as in a piano? And would the 'interdit' part mean that they do not deliver this item? I'm sorry there really isn't much more context to go on but it's also written in red so I suppose is a bit of a warning in the text.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : It is obvious in this context they are talking about packaging for other items, which would never be packed inside a piano! Otherwise, they would have said "we don't deliver pianos" end of story.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

This might be of some interest

at least as a starting point for further research:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caisse_(contenant)
Note from asker:
Many thanks again, I'll take a look
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Reference:

Could it be this?

"Sculpture - Piano

La caisse piano est une caisse spécialement conçue pour les transports d’œuvres ou d’objets volumineux et/ou lourds avec des pieds de 10 mm de haut permettant son déplacement avec des transpalettes.

Elle peut également servir à accueillir des cartons et petites caisses de type ceinture pour servir de protection extérieure.

Grâce à ses renforts de bois massif de 16 mm situés sur les côtés et sur les faces, cette caisse peut voyager en toute sécurité par camion, avion ou bateau."
http://www.harsch.ch/fr/fineart/boxes.php

It doesn't look suitable for literally transporting pianos.
Note from asker:
Many thanks again Charles!
It does look at though this is the correct interpretation of this term. I found this during my searches: http://rebul.com.au/industries/removals-freight-forwarders/export-piano-crate/ Although whether or not they specifically mean a crate for pianos is unclear, I'll just raise it with the client. Thanks again for all contributions.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : And which the EN version of the page gives "piano crate". "Crate" would be a standard term for a wooden transportation/shipping box. Checks out on Googls images and they are intended for pianos by the way! ;-)
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I saw that too, but my impression from the photo was that it didn't look very piano-shaped, and that it was intended for artworks. That made me sceptical about the EN name. But I'm really not sure. Crate is the word, I think. Anyway, thanks, Nikki
agree Tony M : I think it refers to a TYPE (style) of crate, which is used to transport pianos among many other things. As distinct from the 'case of the piano itself'.
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Thanks, Tony! I think that's probably right
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