Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jan 21, 2022 00:22
2 yrs ago
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French term
mèche
French to English
Tech/Engineering
Construction / Civil Engineering
Here's the context:
"Chacune des colonnes de levage supplémentaires présente un chariot élévateur agencé pour être monté verticalement à coulissement sur la colonne de levage, selon un déplacement de 25 mètres, et pour être commandé par une poignée de commande sous forme de timon renforcé ou d’une pédale. En outre, chacun des deux trépieds 30 et 30’ est pourvu en son extrémité supérieure d’un bras vertical, ou mèche, ou tige verticale."
The text is a patent for a method for constructing airships. I have thought of using "shaft" but that's just a guess. I'm unfamiliar with 'mèche' being used in this way.
"Chacune des colonnes de levage supplémentaires présente un chariot élévateur agencé pour être monté verticalement à coulissement sur la colonne de levage, selon un déplacement de 25 mètres, et pour être commandé par une poignée de commande sous forme de timon renforcé ou d’une pédale. En outre, chacun des deux trépieds 30 et 30’ est pourvu en son extrémité supérieure d’un bras vertical, ou mèche, ou tige verticale."
The text is a patent for a method for constructing airships. I have thought of using "shaft" but that's just a guess. I'm unfamiliar with 'mèche' being used in this way.
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +3 | mast | Jennifer Levey |
3 | shaft, or skip it | Bourth |
4 -2 | spindle (or axle, stem, pole, shaft, esp. crankshaft or similar) | Johannes Gleim |
Change log
Jan 31, 2022 09:51: Jennifer Levey Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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mast
One of numerous options.
Note from asker:
This is a good option I hadn't thought of. It seems to be used with tripods. Thanks! |
Peer comment(s):
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Schtroumpf
: D'après ce que je comprends ici, et également CNRTL, cette mèche est une pièce immobile. Donc, pourquoi pas ? https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/mèche, voir sous C.2.
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Mpoma
: Yes, best conjecture.
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Anastasia Kalantzi
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Johannes Gleim
: "mast" is one of multiple possibilities, but no reference shows pertinence to the question. We shall never guess while proposing.
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Kim Metzger
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks! I think your answer worked well in this particular context. "
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shaft, or skip it
You are not alone in having not seen the word used in this way.
'Mèche' here is as in 'mèche de gouvernail' or 'rudder stock', the bar or rod on a ship extending from topsides to the rudder beneath water level, and controlling it.
There is probably no need to translate it since it is but an optional term for 'bras' or 'tige'. I doubt many French readers understand 'mèche' here, and certainly few English readers would understand the relevance of 'stock'.
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Note added at 41 mins (2022-01-21 01:04:06 GMT)
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Were a word to be used for it, ideally you would know the shape, dimensions, purpose, etc. of this 'mèche'. 'Bras' and 'tige' are relatively generic, 'mèche' implies something more specific, but the specifics are lacking. Is it long, short, thick, narrow, square, or round? Does it support something? Or does it rotate (like a rudder stock or a drill bit), say, to control something? Etc.
'Mèche' here is as in 'mèche de gouvernail' or 'rudder stock', the bar or rod on a ship extending from topsides to the rudder beneath water level, and controlling it.
There is probably no need to translate it since it is but an optional term for 'bras' or 'tige'. I doubt many French readers understand 'mèche' here, and certainly few English readers would understand the relevance of 'stock'.
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Note added at 41 mins (2022-01-21 01:04:06 GMT)
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Were a word to be used for it, ideally you would know the shape, dimensions, purpose, etc. of this 'mèche'. 'Bras' and 'tige' are relatively generic, 'mèche' implies something more specific, but the specifics are lacking. Is it long, short, thick, narrow, square, or round? Does it support something? Or does it rotate (like a rudder stock or a drill bit), say, to control something? Etc.
Note from asker:
Thanks for this. No info about what kind of 'mèche'. They use it once and never give any specifics. Thanks for your help. Glad to know I'm on the right track. |
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: I'm not sure it can be just left out: it seems to me that these are NOT necessarily 3 alternatives for the same term, but may just be alternative ways of achieving the same thing (common in patents, for example)
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It's true, you see some pretty funny things in patents (and elsewhere) where people 'translate the words'. Hard to know what to call it without details, a picture, etc. Pole, bar, rod, column, pylon, stem, staff? It's never mentioned again...
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Schtroumpf
: Pas facile, en effet !! Je dirais que la pièce ne tourne pas mais sert de support à un autre ensemble, qui lui serait mobile - selon l'image de la mèche de gouvernail. Sans certitude, faute d'infos.
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spindle (or axle, stem, pole, shaft, esp. crankshaft or similar)
mèche Substantiv, feminin
plus rare : drill bit n, bit n, lock n, wisp n, tow n, tendril n
https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?source=auto&q...
mèche nf (foret) bit, drill bit n
Une mèche de 8 devrait suffire pour ces chevilles.
An 8 mm bit should be enough for those dowels.
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/mèche
Definition: axe de rotation du safran (partie du gouvernail), placé derrière la coque ou traversant parfois celle-ci dans une jaumière
Term: mèche de gouvernail
Term: mèche
Definition: that part of a rudder which acts as a vertical shaft through which the turning force of the steering gear is transmitted to the rudder body
Term: rudderstock
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1593317/fr-en
Definition: outil de coupe en acier, utilisé pour le perçage. Il existe plusieurs types de forets: foret hélicoïdal, foret à canon, foret à centrer. Le foret hélicoïdal est le plus utilisé
Term: foret
Term: drill
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1211975/fr-en
mèche / wick | ~ (text) / slub, coarse o. rough roving | ~ (outil) / bore bit| … ~ de gouvernail (nav) /rudder post o. spindle
(Brandstetter, Dictionnaire Gènèral de la Technique Industrielle)
All mechanical parts have one property in common: they are rod-shaped.
I therefore propose to translate as follows: 'a vertical arm, or spindle, or vertical rod.'
The term "spindle" may be replaced by 'axle', 'stem', 'pole', 'shaft', esp. 'crankshaft' or similar, depending on its form and function.
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2022-01-22 12:11:12 GMT)
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Au vu des nombreux dispositifs mentionnés dans le texte et qui nous sont inconnus, il est utile de faire des recherches dans les articles suivants :
Un ballon dirigeable est un aéronef léger, plus précisément un aérostat, renfermant des dispositifs destinés à assurer la sustentation ainsi que des systèmes de propulsion lui conférant une certaine manœuvrabilité.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_dirigeable
An airship or dirigible balloon is a type of aerostat or lighter-than-air aircraft that can navigate through the air under its own power.[1] Aerostats gain their lift from a lifting gas that is less dense than the surrounding air.
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In 1910, Torres y Quevedo proposed the idea of attaching an airships nose to a mooring mast and allowing the airship to weathervane with changes of wind direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship
Un zeppelin est un aérostat de type dirigeable rigide, de fabrication allemande ; dans la langue usuelle, le mot « zeppelin » peut désigner, par extension, n’importe quel type de ballon dirigeable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
A Zeppelin is a type of rigid airship named after the German inventor Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin (German pronunciation: [ˈt͡sɛpəliːn]) who pioneered rigid airship development at the beginning of the 20th century.
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The Art Deco spire of the Empire State Building was originally designed to serve as a mooring mast for Zeppelins and other airships,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
Un mât d'amarrage ou d'ancrage est une tour destinée à immobiliser l'avant d'un ballon dirigeable sur un aérodrome, ou une étendue d'eau. Pendant un court séjour, il peut supporter les câbles électriques et les canalisations d'eau potable assurant le fonctionnement de l'appareil.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mât_d'amarrage
plus rare : drill bit n, bit n, lock n, wisp n, tow n, tendril n
https://www.linguee.fr/francais-anglais/search?source=auto&q...
mèche nf (foret) bit, drill bit n
Une mèche de 8 devrait suffire pour ces chevilles.
An 8 mm bit should be enough for those dowels.
https://www.wordreference.com/fren/mèche
Definition: axe de rotation du safran (partie du gouvernail), placé derrière la coque ou traversant parfois celle-ci dans une jaumière
Term: mèche de gouvernail
Term: mèche
Definition: that part of a rudder which acts as a vertical shaft through which the turning force of the steering gear is transmitted to the rudder body
Term: rudderstock
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1593317/fr-en
Definition: outil de coupe en acier, utilisé pour le perçage. Il existe plusieurs types de forets: foret hélicoïdal, foret à canon, foret à centrer. Le foret hélicoïdal est le plus utilisé
Term: foret
Term: drill
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/result/1211975/fr-en
mèche / wick | ~ (text) / slub, coarse o. rough roving | ~ (outil) / bore bit| … ~ de gouvernail (nav) /rudder post o. spindle
(Brandstetter, Dictionnaire Gènèral de la Technique Industrielle)
All mechanical parts have one property in common: they are rod-shaped.
I therefore propose to translate as follows: 'a vertical arm, or spindle, or vertical rod.'
The term "spindle" may be replaced by 'axle', 'stem', 'pole', 'shaft', esp. 'crankshaft' or similar, depending on its form and function.
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Note added at 1 day 11 hrs (2022-01-22 12:11:12 GMT)
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Au vu des nombreux dispositifs mentionnés dans le texte et qui nous sont inconnus, il est utile de faire des recherches dans les articles suivants :
Un ballon dirigeable est un aéronef léger, plus précisément un aérostat, renfermant des dispositifs destinés à assurer la sustentation ainsi que des systèmes de propulsion lui conférant une certaine manœuvrabilité.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_dirigeable
An airship or dirigible balloon is a type of aerostat or lighter-than-air aircraft that can navigate through the air under its own power.[1] Aerostats gain their lift from a lifting gas that is less dense than the surrounding air.
:
In 1910, Torres y Quevedo proposed the idea of attaching an airships nose to a mooring mast and allowing the airship to weathervane with changes of wind direction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airship
Un zeppelin est un aérostat de type dirigeable rigide, de fabrication allemande ; dans la langue usuelle, le mot « zeppelin » peut désigner, par extension, n’importe quel type de ballon dirigeable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
A Zeppelin is a type of rigid airship named after the German inventor Count Ferdinand von Zeppelin (German pronunciation: [ˈt͡sɛpəliːn]) who pioneered rigid airship development at the beginning of the 20th century.
:
The Art Deco spire of the Empire State Building was originally designed to serve as a mooring mast for Zeppelins and other airships,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin
Un mât d'amarrage ou d'ancrage est une tour destinée à immobiliser l'avant d'un ballon dirigeable sur un aérodrome, ou une étendue d'eau. Pendant un court séjour, il peut supporter les câbles électriques et les canalisations d'eau potable assurant le fonctionnement de l'appareil.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mât_d'amarrage
Peer comment(s):
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Jennifer Levey
: Agree with Schtroumpf. Your multiple terms fall into 3 categories: straight elements that are fixed, straight elements that rotate, and bent elements that rotate. They cannot all be valid in Asker's context - so which is 'most likely'?
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Something like a rudderstock, but it's up to the asker to verify this by asking the client. You should disagree only by proofing errors whille interpretating the question.
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Schtroumpf
: Exactement, Jennifer - il faudra bien dire laquelle des propositions convient, et pourquoi !
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Discussion
@ Cadastre: Je tiens pour possible que le terme "timon" puisse être utilisé pour les dirigeables, tout comme pour les navires, surtout si on les compare à ceux-ci.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AmazonBasics-Steel-Jack-Stands-Capa...
The term 'mèche' could be used to describe the method of raising and lowering the central pipe of that axle stand, using a rack and pinion driven by a handle. Conceptually, that is similar to the way the 'mèche' of a traditional paraffin lamp is raised and lowered:
https://jmoncrieff.co.uk/oil-lamp-parts/hinch-burner-1-inch?...
Et comme Jennifer l'a dit, on conçoit encore des dirigeables de nos jours.
Comme Kari n'a malheureusement toujours pas répondu à mes questions sur la forme et la fonction de la « méche », nous ne pouvons que supposer qu'elle a une forme de tige, semblable à une un arbre ou à un foret (on dit parfois « méche » pour cela). Je me permets de rappeler que je n'ai pas proposé le "foret" et que le commentaire en question est donc sans objet. Veuillez gentil de reconsidérer le commentaire.
Par conséquent, notre mèche ne doit pas exister en beaucoup d'exemplaires !
Non - voir :
"The Age of the Airship May Be Dawning Again"
"The contractor Northrop Grumman was awarded a $517 million contract to build a surveillance airship in 2010, and it managed to build a successful prototype in 2012."
"One of Raytheon’s spy blimps was tested in Maryland, where it hung eerily in the sky above suburban homes. In 2015, it ..."
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/29/blimps-hindenburg-flyin...
Also, 'mèche de barre de plongée' is 'hydroplane shaft'.
So, without more context or a diagram, I would lean towards your guess and CadastreToulous' suggestion of 'shaft'.
https://hydrovane.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Guide-DInst...
https://hydrovane.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Installatio...
https://www.proboat.com/2018/07/the-rudimentaries-of-rudders...
https://www.btb.termiumplus.gc.ca/tpv2alpha/alpha-fra.html?l...