Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

au score stalinien

English translation:

percentage of the vote reminiscent of the Stalinist era

Added to glossary by Helen Shiner
Jun 26, 2011 09:15
12 yrs ago
French term

au score stalinien

French to English Other Government / Politics
Les manifestations sont interdites (les contestations de la réélection au score stalinien d’Alexandre Loukachenko en décembre 2010 se sont terminées dans la violence), alors les Gay Pride… Celle de mai 2010 se solda par des arrestations et des amendes.

This is from an online article about gay rights.
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Jul 10, 2011 08:37: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry

Discussion

Agnes T-H Jun 27, 2011:
I am sorry but I think you are missing the part of my comment where I say 'However, the 2nd part "reminiscent of the Stalinist era" really sticks to the French meaning."
I disagree with the 1st part of ur answer that does not convey the message of "artificially inflated score" So I'm not saying the contrary of what I am saying(!?!)

About the "taught" part of my comment; you are stating "artificially inflated is implicit in the Stalinist reference " Well... Unless one has been taught in high school AP (Stalin was born in 1878) what Stalinism is, there are very few chances that they know what the heck is Stalinism & whether Stalin was a crook or just some kind of crazy utopist (some might have learned by themselves but how many 1/10000?)
So election rigging is not THAT blatantly obvious in the non European English speaking countries.
Agnes T-H Jun 27, 2011:
@Helen How could I go against what I am saying since I did NOT answer this question?
Besides, assuming Stalin's "story" is being taught today the same way (or being taught in so many details) everywhere in the world, the way it is in the non communist Europe is a bit of a stretch! i.e Former communist countries citizens might not see Stalin as a crook. Or some readers in their 20s, who are so far from this (in time & place) that they could not possibly care less, might not be THAT aware of his reputation.
As far as I know, reading about the Gay-Pride in the newspapers is not some kind of privilege granted exclusively to those who are holding an academic diploma from Southern Europe.
Therefore what could sound "obvious" to you may not be that obvious for a bunch of your contemporaries (yet not less English speakers)
Laurette Tassin Jun 26, 2011:
Meaning an election score unusually high for any democratic country (e.g.90%) more often the tiype of score obtained by a dictator...

Proposed translations

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percentage of the vote reminiscent of the Stalinist era

or 'with a Stalinist percentage of the vote'

Since this is a leadership contest and not a general election, I have withdrawn my previous answer.

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I have removed all my comments in the discussion box due to the personal nature of the comments directed at me. However, I wish to underline that I stand by my proposed answer. It is quite evident that a Stalinist percentage of the vote centrally implies that that vote would be anything between 90% - 100% for the said candidate. In EN there is no need to add 'artificially inflated' or such like formulations, since that would in effect be tautology.
Peer comment(s):

agree B D Finch
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Thanks, B D Finch
agree cc in nyc
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agree rkillings
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agree Jocelyne S : Yes, or a "score reminiscent of the Stalinist era".// Hmm, indeed, I may not have been fully awake this morning. "...results reminiscent..." might be better. (Nothing wrong with "percentage of the vote" either, but it's a bit long, IMO.)
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Thanks Jocelyn, though I don't think score would be used in EN in these circumstances.//Might be longish but since it trips off the tongue as what people say and write, I'm sticking to it!!
agree Evans (X) : nice and clear, and to the point
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Thanks, Gilla
agree Sandra & Kenneth Grossman
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Thanks, Sangro
disagree Agnes T-H : It is TOO nicely said so to speak. The idea of "artificially inflated scores" is missing here compared to the French idiom that heavily implies election rigging. However, the 2nd part "reminiscent of the Stalinist era" really sticks to the French meaning.
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We are asked only to translate the phrase posted so your disagree goes against what you yourself have said. Scores is not EN in this context. The idea of artificially inflated is implicit in the Stalinist reference for anyone who knows their history!
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naar Stalinistische telling

uitslag geteld volgens het Stalinistisch systeem
Peer comment(s):

neutral polyglot45 : language ?
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neutral B D Finch : This is a French to English question!
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neutral writeaway : dit is frans-engel, niet frans-nederlands.
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Stalin type result

Dead duck Nick, dead duck BNP
10 posts - 7 authors - Last post: 27 Sep 2010
Given the Stalin type election process for nonmimations for the leadership, it was no surprise that Eddy did not get enough nonminations. ...
www.democracyforum.co.uk/.../82119-dead-duck-nick-dead-duck... -

Sri_Chinmoy_Information : Message: Re: latest news and some thoughts
15 posts - 6 authors - Last post: 31 Oct 2007
Once I suggested a Stalin type election, with all the candidates for Trustee chosen by Ghose, and all disciples being ordered they had ...
groups.yahoo.com/group/Sri_Chinmoy_Information/.../8997?var... -
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with a share of the vote reminiscent of the Stalin days

a share of the vote: score (Harrap's)
Peer comment(s):

neutral Sandra & Kenneth Grossman : this answer was already given
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agree Agnes T-H : Share of the vote is good. @Sangro: Where is this already given answer?
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thank you Agnes
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stalinian score

The official turn over is about 98% and the incumbent Paul KAGAME won with a Stalinian score

is not only an expected victory but also a large one, considering the quasi “Stalinian” official figures of 90, 24%,
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fantastically inflated winning scores typical of the Stalin era

I think the phrase clearly denotes the sort of gross election trickery used in Soviet era 'elections', where power was thought to rest upon overwhelming unanimity than upon wishy-washing democratic consensus. The 'fabulous' results are supposed to make people mad enough to go get killed, which they did!
Peer comment(s):

agree Agnes T-H : Yes "fantastically inflated" is exactly the idea that is being conveyed in this idiom in French.
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(lopsided) Stalinesque landslide

Just another possibility. The term 'lopsided' also comes to mind.
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Stalinian-like voting results

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Reference comments

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Reference:

a bit more context

Retrouver la dernière dictature d’Europe dans ce classement n’est malheureusement pas une surprise, tant les violations des droits humains y sont nombreuses. Les manifestations sont interdites (les contestations de la réélection au score stalinien d
’Alexandre Loukachenko

en décembre 2010 se sont terminées dans la violence)
http://www.cafebabel.fr/article/37959/droits-lgbt-le-flop-5-...
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