Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
Bonaparte ménage une Vendée encore exsangue
English translation:
Bonaparte was very careful in handling/the way he handled the still battered Vendee
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Elena Robert
Jun 2, 2006 09:57
17 yrs ago
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French term
France
Style et précision.
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: English to Russian, French to Russian, Russian to French, and 1 more.
Bonaparte ménage une Vendée encore exsangue
French to English
Art/Literary
Religion
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Bonaparte entreprend des opérations de propagande visant à séduire et à rallier les Vendéens ainsi que leurs « chefs » et ***ménage une Vendée encore exsangue***. Mais celle-ci, s’éloigne du régime du fait de la conscription (1803) et des frictions avec la Papauté.
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Bonaparte was very careful in handling/the way he handled the still battered Vendee
there may be a netter way but something along these lines
was very diplomatic in his dealings with the Vendee, still suffering from ...
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sorry ... a 'better' way. Mind you, it could have been 'neater'!
Bonaparte handled the still suffering Vendee with great diplomacy
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-06-02 11:03:47 GMT)
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just thought of another option and see that John got there before me!!
Bonaparte took a softly, softly approach to a Vendee still on its knees
was very diplomatic in his dealings with the Vendee, still suffering from ...
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Note added at 27 mins (2006-06-02 10:24:45 GMT)
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sorry ... a 'better' way. Mind you, it could have been 'neater'!
Bonaparte handled the still suffering Vendee with great diplomacy
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Note added at 1 hr (2006-06-02 11:03:47 GMT)
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just thought of another option and see that John got there before me!!
Bonaparte took a softly, softly approach to a Vendee still on its knees
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Angela Dickson (X)
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thanks Angela
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Najib Aloui
: the second part to be worked out ...
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thanks Ganemo
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John Peterson
: I'd go for this (with "the way he handled" option); "...still on its knees" another one to throw in the pot if needs be.
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thanks John ... I was taking the dog for a walk and thought of the last option before I read your comment!!
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Pierre POUSSIN
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thanks irat
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Julie Barber
: yes for the soft approach. Menager can mean 'go easy on'. I don't thinkt that there is a sense of 'great' or 'very'...don't think you can be greatly diplomatic after genocide!
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thanks Julie
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MikeGarcia
: Remember Cadoudal...
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thanks Miguel ... I hadn't but I do now!!
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Ingeborg Gowans (X)
: w/ John's option
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thanks Ingeborg
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Clair Pickworth
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thanks Clair
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Cervin
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thanks Cervin
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Brigitte Albert (X)
: with John
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thanks Brigitte
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Joy Gehner
: maybe dealt gently or carefully with...
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thanks Joy
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nnaemeka Odimegwu
: suis-je contre-pied
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Monika Lebenbaum (X)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks to all."
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Bonaparte was courting a Vendée still untouched by bloodshed
If it fits the greater historical context... If not, disregard :)
Your project sounds so intersting! Good for you!
Jennifer Gal
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Or, "as yet untouched by bloodshed"
Your project sounds so intersting! Good for you!
Jennifer Gal
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Or, "as yet untouched by bloodshed"
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Pierre POUSSIN
: Very sorry! It is the complete opposite! Vendée was ruined and population very scarce after the war against Republicans!
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I'm very sorry! You're right, I missed it. I was viewing 'exsanguine" as "bloodless", when it really meant "bled out!" (as in "run dry of blood"). I always learn from ProZ feedback. Sorry to have interjected my ignorance here. Good luck!
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df49f (X)
: 2 contresens sur exsangue et sur ménager - français pas compris
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Yes, we established that within about 1 minute of my original, hasty posting. See note immediately above yours.
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Pierre POUSSIN
France
France
Native in French
France
Fast and accurate.
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Latin to French, and 2 more.
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Bonaparte handles with velvet gloves a still bloodless Vendée
The "Vendée" is a French "département". During the French Revolution and for various reasons, its inhabitants mutinied and carried out a war of skirmishes against the "Blues" (Republican soldiers). The punishment was horrible and the Vendée almost disappeared!
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Angela Dickson (X)
: 'bloodless' doesn't really make sense in context - you need something like 'bled dry' or 'battered'
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Agreed "Bled up" is much better although...
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nnaemeka Odimegwu
: angela dickson comment strikes you out. see mine. i hope you agree
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Richard Benham
: "Bloodless" won't work and the word order is wrong.
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dealt with (mercy and) precaution with a Vendée exhausted by bloodshed
...Bonaparte, used no brutality, spared ...
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Angela Dickson (X)
: agree with the last bit but not with 'precaution'
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Thank you Angela, you're right. "exhausted by bloodshed" could, perhaps, be useful to suezen's proposal...
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nnaemeka Odimegwu
Nigeria
Nigeria
Native in English
Nigeria
original translations
Native in: English
Works in: French to English, English to French
to treat with kid gloves(show consideration for) the Vendée still bled white(drained of resources)
a. la conscription, s’éloigne -> for the people of Vendée to agree to accept to be part of Bonaparte’s battles, this action is needed (action carried out by him in the context)
b. la papauté -> I think for religious reasons also, this action is needed.
c. I fell upon this phrase, quite a pointer: les guerres ont laissé le pays exsangue (lit. translation-> wars have bled the country white.
d. Taking away all the flourish, read as: Bonaparte’s propaganda…has objective of… appealing to…winning over…(and) to show consideration for…a Vendée still bled white.
b. la papauté -> I think for religious reasons also, this action is needed.
c. I fell upon this phrase, quite a pointer: les guerres ont laissé le pays exsangue (lit. translation-> wars have bled the country white.
d. Taking away all the flourish, read as: Bonaparte’s propaganda…has objective of… appealing to…winning over…(and) to show consideration for…a Vendée still bled white.
Discussion
an interesting link - they weren't spare the bloodshed for long! what a suprise.....