Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Japanese term or phrase:
大字深浦参千弐拾五番地イ参
English translation:
Oaza Fukaura 3025-1-3
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Tokyo_Moscow
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Japanese term
Australia
大字深浦参千弐拾五番地イ参
Japanese to English
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Traditional Koseki
This is part of an address in a traditional koseki document which is being translated for migration purposes. My question is how should I handle the イ参 part?
Oaza Fukaura 3025 banchi...(?)3
Oaza Fukaura 3025 banchi...(?)3
Proposed translations
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| 4 | Oaza Fukaura 3025-1-3 |
Tokyo_Moscow
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| 2 +1 | Oaza Fukaura 3025 banchi I 3 |
Yasutomo Kanazawa
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| 3 | Oaza Fukaura 3025-A3 |
Michael Karpa
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| 1 | Oaza Fukaura 3025-3 |
Miho Ohashi
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References
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Nov 11, 2009 03:01: Tokyo_Moscow Created KOG entry
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Oaza Fukaura 3025-1-3
Oaza Fukaura 3025-1-3
please see my explanation at the reference field
please see my explanation at the reference field
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Comment: "Thanks Tokyo-Moscow, your arguments are very convincing and backed up with good evidence. I'd like to thank everyone for their thoughts and suggestions (I only wish I could give points to everyone who helped me out.) Cheers!"
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Oaza Fukaura 3025 banchi I 3
I think a simple 「い」(i) or with a capital (I) would do.
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TCN6YR
: For any old addresses, "イ" is possible. I am not sure if any typo might be seen on koseki documents.
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Hidetoshi kudo
: Not a typo. 3025 is a lot number. After a lot number we usually get a room number. イ-3 must be an old fashion apartment room number or government housing.
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Thank you!
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Oaza Fukaura 3025-3
Could it be a type for "ノ" instead of "イ" ?
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Note added at 20 mins (2009-11-09 04:16:41 GMT)
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Sorry, "typo" not "type".
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Note added at 36 mins (2009-11-09 04:32:48 GMT)
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Try googling "番地ノ（or の)参（一、弐、．．．）", and you get quite anumber of hits.
http://www.pref.gifu.jp/pref/s11124/rekishi/mokuroku/rekisi/...
大字沓井九百弐拾六番地ノ参
http://portal.dl.saga-u.ac.jp/handle/123456789/5605
小城郡小城町弐百九拾参番地ノ弐
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Note added at 20 mins (2009-11-09 04:16:41 GMT)
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Sorry, "typo" not "type".
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Note added at 36 mins (2009-11-09 04:32:48 GMT)
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Try googling "番地ノ（or の)参（一、弐、．．．）", and you get quite anumber of hits.
http://www.pref.gifu.jp/pref/s11124/rekishi/mokuroku/rekisi/...
大字沓井九百弐拾六番地ノ参
http://portal.dl.saga-u.ac.jp/handle/123456789/5605
小城郡小城町弐百九拾参番地ノ弐
Note from asker:
| Hmmm....that's a good question! I suppose it's possible... |
Peer comment(s):
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Joyce A
: I'm not 100% sure, but Miho sure brings up a very good point.
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I'm not 100% sure, either, but I thought it could be a possibility since katakana is not commonly used in addresses in Japan (though there seems to be a few cases where katakata is used).
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Oaza Fukaura 3025-A3
This is just another suggestion. I also like the simplicity of Tokyo_Moscow's suggestion, and those references are very convincing. i-ro-ha usually ends up as ABC in legal documents, so maybe A3 conveys the sense well. I dropped the hyphen bcause there are probably hyphens before the Oaza, and it could get a little hyphen happy. I don't think anyone will mistake it for a sheet of paper.
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イ doesn't seem to be a misprint, and could be used as in a イ ロ ハ order.
Here is how they explain that, not in a housing context though.
■凡例
『電脳画の部屋』は一画面あたり次のように縦４列、横６列で構成されています。そこで一画面を一頁とし、縦の列を上からイ・ロ・ハ・ニ、横の列を左から壱・弐・参・四・伍・六として解説を列記していくこととします。
壱弐参四伍六
イ□□□□□□
ロ□□□□□□
ハ□□□□□□
ニ□□□□□□
http://cache.yahoofs.jp/search/cache?p=イ参 &ei=UTF-8&fr=top_g...
Probably
Oaza Fukaura 1-3 will do.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-11-09 09:07:53 GMT)
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http://wiki.chakuriki.net/index.php/成東町
After a little research, I am sure it is 1-3, in i-ro -ha order, where i should have meaning as 1. Even now some areas' names are used like that.
1. 地区(大字)が6地区しかなく、蓮沼イ、蓮沼ロ、蓮沼ハ、蓮沼ニ、蓮沼ホまではイロハ順なのだが、「蓮沼平」は「ヘ」とは読まずに「ヒラ」とよむ。
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/イロハ
Here is how they explain that, not in a housing context though.
■凡例
『電脳画の部屋』は一画面あたり次のように縦４列、横６列で構成されています。そこで一画面を一頁とし、縦の列を上からイ・ロ・ハ・ニ、横の列を左から壱・弐・参・四・伍・六として解説を列記していくこととします。
壱弐参四伍六
イ□□□□□□
ロ□□□□□□
ハ□□□□□□
ニ□□□□□□
http://cache.yahoofs.jp/search/cache?p=イ参 &ei=UTF-8&fr=top_g...
Probably
Oaza Fukaura 1-3 will do.
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Note added at 5 hrs (2009-11-09 09:07:53 GMT)
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http://wiki.chakuriki.net/index.php/成東町
After a little research, I am sure it is 1-3, in i-ro -ha order, where i should have meaning as 1. Even now some areas' names are used like that.
1. 地区(大字)が6地区しかなく、蓮沼イ、蓮沼ロ、蓮沼ハ、蓮沼ニ、蓮沼ホまではイロハ順なのだが、「蓮沼平」は「ヘ」とは読まずに「ヒラ」とよむ。
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/イロハ
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FYR
千葉県内の市町村では、大字として残っておるところが、旭市の「イ、ロ、ハ、ニ」、それから香取郡東庄町笹川の「い」、それから同じく笹川の「ろ」、それと香取市佐原「イ」、佐原「ロ」佐原「ハ」、佐原「に」、佐原「ホ」、篠原「イ」、篠原「ロ」、それから山武市蓮沼の「イ、ロ、ハ、ニ、ホ、ヘイ」、こちらは感じの平という字でございます、「イ、ロ、ハ、ニ、ホ、平」。それから匝瑳市、「イ、ロ、ハ、ニ、ホ」がございまして、以上が大字として県内で残っている部分でございます。
あと、県外の方に目を向けますと、石川県の金沢市、広島県の福山市にあるように伺っております。
http://www.city.yachimata.lg.jp/assembly/minutes/2008/5/minu...
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/address/17/17201/index.html
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q116...
あと、県外の方に目を向けますと、石川県の金沢市、広島県の福山市にあるように伺っております。
http://www.city.yachimata.lg.jp/assembly/minutes/2008/5/minu...
http://map.yahoo.co.jp/address/17/17201/index.html
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q116...
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